User talk:Artemy Musha

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Happy editing, Rappy 4187 (help forum | blog) 21:34, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Preserving The Escapist
Dear Akriloth2160,

as you might know The Escapist is currently hanging on life support. Most staff were fired, there is barely any new content these days. While I cannot predict the next move of Defy Media, I think the we seriously have to face the possibilty of The Escapist getting completely shut down without warning. 12 years worth of content would be lost to the public. We cannot completely rely on Archive.org and its clones to archive everything, especially all the video content. Also not every video on the Escapist website is on Youtube, and the Escapist Youtube channels might be shut down as well.

 So I would like to ask you want to join me in my Escapist Archival project.

I say that we should do what was done when the GeoCities shutdown was announced, and what was done when SoundCloud was almost shut down this year: we should start siphoning the website and try to preserve as much content as we can.

If you are interested in helping, please send an e-mail to meekee7(@)gmx.de (sans the brackets). I will send you an invite to my Discord channel where we can talk about it.

Thank you.

Meekee7 (talk) 22:12, November 7, 2017 (UTC)

On your edits
Please try not to haphazardly edit the pages I make. I know you want to make a contribution, but I worked very hard to build those pages, and every time you make an edit to one of them, I have to slowly and methodically pick through it to correct all the mistakes. KnackisCack42 (talk) 04:03, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

I have noticed your discussion and your request. If this problems persists, then it seems that we need to come up with some kind of transcript style guide. Meekee7 (talk) 00:14, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Possible Dev Diary pages
I noticed that you've been making pages for the new Extra Punctuation videos. That, in turn, makes me wonder: would it be within this wiki's purposes to make pages for the Dev Diary videos? It'd be less of an ongoing commitment for me and more of a pet project, to do in between Zero Punctuation transcripts. KnackisCack42 (talk) 21:18, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't see why not, that could be a good thing to add to the wiki. If Hatfall and Consuming Shadow can have articles here even when their main connection is the creator, then it'd make sense for us to have the Dev Diary videos as well. Artemy Musha (talk) 19:15, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Both games get referenced often with the self-promotion, but have no Wikipedia articles. Having an article here gives us something to link to. Hatfall also has a strong Zero Punctuation connection by using the art style. In the old days, Extra Punctuation columns were often a direct continuation of that week's game review. That might occasionally happen again with the current reboot, so these articles have at least some raison d'être. On the other hand, we don't have articles for Yahtzee's novels and his old adventure games (yet).

I suggest that we try not to loose the focus of this wiki. So we should ask ourselves these questions: how does the Dev Diary series fit into this wiki? How can their articles, if those were written, be related/linked to other articles in this wiki? If we merely wanted to collect transcripts, then we could always consider the option to start a new wiki for that purpose. Meekee7 (talk) 00:10, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Praey for the Gods
We need to have a serious talk, you and I. You've never had any problem waiting for me to make a page for previous Zero Punctuation videos, so what made you jump the gun on this one? Are you trying to ensure that your edits can't be reversed, under the pretense that they came first? KnackisCack42 (talk) 21:13, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

What in god's name are you talking about? All I'm seeing from the edit you made to the Praey for the Gods page is that you blanked what I already wrote and reposted it under your own watch. And considering that your interpretation actually loses a few details compared to what my version of the page included (seeing how the Wander link to the Team Ico wiki isn't on your version), I'm having trouble wrapping my head around why you're doing this other than you seeing yourself as some kind of self-made unspoken authority on this wiki. Which, if I may be blunt, is a bad attitude to bring to a collaborative effort like this, and doubly bad on your part to do in response to someone like me who's been simply going about my own business editing this wiki for around five-to-six years longer than you.

I've already suspected from the past several times you've tried to butt heads with me (and I have a lot to say if that anon yelling in all caps over two hyphenated adverbs on that one EP article is indeed you) that you have some concerningly-misguided ownership issues that shouldn't be considered welcome in any collaborative environment, least of all a wiki. But this bizarre obsession with having first dibs on a page to the point of effectively blanking and unblanking an already-written page has almost completely convinced me that this is the case, and that's deeply-worrying.

You claimed in an earlier message to me that you "worked very hard to build those pages" that you took issue with me editing. Well, the same can be said for the Praey for the Gods page I wrote. The same can be said for...literally anyone who created a page at length. I mean, "ensuring that your edits can't be reversed, under the pretense that they came first"? How on earth is that supposed to work? It's not like the edit button suddenly vanishes the moment I'm done editing (and no, I don't have privileges to lock a page). That accusation is on even more shaky ground seeing how I didn't simply leave the page at the initial revision when I first created the page, and edited out a number of mistakes I didn't catch on my first go around - yeah, big shock, I know, I'm not above making simple, fixable mistakes. This has nothing to do with "ensuring that your edits can't be reversed", and it has everything to do with...you know...contributing to a wiki that anyone can edit just as much as anyone else who comes to this site.

If people disagree with your interpretation to the point of wanting to change it on a wiki site, or if they don't go along with your way of doing things, that is not an attack on you personally. It's just the way that collaborative wiki sites work. If you don't understand that idea, then I question why you thought it would be a good idea for you to contribute to a wiki in the first place. Artemy Musha (talk) 11:22, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

I thought it over a bit, and I would like to formally apologize for my behavior yesterday. I had been going through a rough patch thanks to events in my personal life I am not at liberty to disclose. I will exercise more discretion when editing any pages that you, in the future, may create (and will not outright attempt to prohibit you from doing so, because seriously, that was stupid of me.) In the future, I will... A: Not delete any italics added in for vocal emphasis. B: Not delete any words that are spelled differently depending on region (e.g. colour/color, fetid/foetid).

Sorry if I have caused any stress for you due to my edits. I acknowledge that your points are valid, and I will attempt to improve. If I cause any other situations on this level, feel free to submit me to the mods. Consider this my apology. KnackisCack42 (talk) 21:17, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

That's fine, I accept your apology. As long as it's not a regular thing and happened because of personal issues on your end, I can empathize. Artemy Musha (talk) 16:53, 28 January 2022 (UTC)